Has google finally Smartened Up about Mass Spammy Links? READ MY CASE STUDY!

seoperson

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I remember when it was pretty easy to rank my sites using mostly forum profiles. I would buy a PR2 or PR3 domain, build a couple high PR links to it (PR4 - PR5), and blast the heck out of it with forum profile links using submitter.

I would do 2 links per profile, and build about 12,000 or so per month. I would use backlink energizer to get many of them indexed.

Used to work very well a few months back, but as of 2 or so months ago, it seems to literally ruin your sites forever (perma-sandbox).

I had a lot of sites, most of which were ranking well, some in second & first place. But, every single one of them went into the sandbox, one after the other, like clock work. Even sites that had been firmly stuck in 2nd place for MONTHS, without ever bouncing, or going into the sandbox, etc.

It seems that the sites that I build the most forum profiles too, were the first ones to go. But even the sites that I had not even built ANY links to for months, eventually went into the sandbox too.

Now and then, one of them may come out of the sandbox for a day or two, make some money, and then go right back into the sandbox, head first. This has been going on for months it seems...

I have tried just about everything that you can think of to get them out, and nothing has worked.


Here are the things that I have tried, in order to get the sites out of the sandbox:


  1. Changing/adding content to the homepage (NOTE: I was only ranking the homepage on most sites... and didn't bother with subpages).
  2. Adding content, in general (IE: building subpages with unique content)
  3. Building high PR links both to the homepage and the subpage.
  4. Building "high quality" links
  5. Link pyramids
  6. Adding an SSL to the 5 of the sites (I was hoping this may raise the "trust" rank of the site)
  7. Changing the IP of the site
  8. Creating EDU and .gov links to the sites

I'm sure I also forgot a couple of other things too...

Also, there was nothing that would link the sites together. No adsense, no google analytics or webmaster tools, they were on different c-class IP's (some on dedicated IP's), and they did not link to one another, etc.

Heck, I even used all different contact/admin (etc.) names for the domains. I pretty much left no stone un-turned.

I am guessing the ONLY way these sites are ever gonna be saved, is if I find a way to get rid of all of the spammy profile links pointing to them? I don't suppose someone has a program like Xrumor that can REMOVE mass links to a site? LOL!

I am pretty convinced at this point that they are never coming back, period. This is why I have already remade 1/4 of them, and intend to remake them ALL, then be far more careful with my link building. Basically I will be making link pyramids, linkpushes (linkpushing.ent), and not hitting them with mass links anymore, at least not mass CRAPPY links. I will also focus more on high PR homepage links, which seems to help more than anything else.

Interestingly enough, the new sites that I have made are already ranking pretty good, and it has only been 2 months max for them, and some are closer to one month old.

Most are on page 2 towards the top, and some page one, like position 2-5ish. Making money, but nothing compared to what the old sites were before they got the axe :)

So what I am saying, is that it appears you do NOT need a lot of links (especially not a lot of CRAPPY links) to get ranked well.

I just can't believe how much time and effort I spent RUINING a big batch of sites that had great potential. I guess it was a good lesson learned though: mass spamming links does more harm than good nowadays. That doesn't mean you can't blast your web 2.0 sites, link pyramids/pushes etc. though :)

Note: none of my old sites are de-indexed, just perma-sandboxed :(

Anyways..........

What are your guys' thoughts on this? Anyone else have a similar story to this?

Lets hear some opinions, or better yet, REAL experiences? :)

Thanks guys! This place is now my favorite forum; great crowd, and smart people with good experience here :)
 

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good post , couldn't agree more with your thoughts.

same experience myself ... but i not only made profile links but also blog comments!
wasn't sure which one was causing the problem with google or if it was both methods.
 

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Yes, profile links to money site is worthless after Panda update. Only good for passing linkjuice to Tier 1.
 

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Blackhat is gets harder and harder as time goes on. Internet is like television. When television started there were a lot of scammy info-commercials and some ppl made a lot of money on them. Slowly all of those vanished. Its the same with internet. Blackhat is going to get harder and harder and its better to diversify you link strategy into everything and not just depend on on link source so that your rankings stand over time! :) ... The mistake i feel was your over-dependency on one link source. It was a complete footprint there.
 
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So by spamming profile links and spammy links to a competitors site it will get the site sandboxed? I don't think Google works that way, if it did I would give my compitition a blast with sex, Viagra profiles, and a Scrapebox blast as well.
 
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Disagree in a way...i have two sites the were only getting good white hat seo links up until recently,good onpage seo, etc and the rankings were decent for some pretty heavy duty keywords in my niche. However, after blasting a few SB and xrumer links directly to my money sites, they eventually shot up to #1 and have been pegged there hard for months and months...
 

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So by spamming profile links and spammy links to a competitors site it will get the site sandboxed? I don't think Google works that way, if it did I would give my compitition a blast with sex, Viagra profiles, and a Scrapebox blast as well.

Unfortunately thats how it works now with blog commenting and forum profiles. There have been many case studies to prove this.

But it depends on the site you are spamming. If the domain age is more than 1 year with links from authority sites or high pr sites, you won't be able to bring it down. But for other sites, you can.

Just try blasting 10 million scrapebox + 10 million xrumer and you will see for yourself.
 

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Trust me, it DOES work that way, more now than ever.

However, you can't bring down a competitors site if it is well established (IE: has been ranking well for a long time already).

If you wanna bring down your competitors you would have to catch them fairly early in the game.

I think my main problem was I built crap links in bulk, right from the word go.

And no, I have not sandboxed competitors sites, but plenty of other people here have :)

So by spamming profile links and spammy links to a competitors site it will get the site sandboxed? I don't think Google works that way, if it did I would give my compitition a blast with sex, Viagra profiles, and a Scrapebox blast as well.
 

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Trust me, it DOES work that way, more now than ever.

However, you can't bring down a competitors site if it is well established (IE: has been ranking well for a long time already).

If you wanna bring down your competitors you would have to catch them fairly early in the game.

I think my main problem was I built crap links in bulk, right from the word go.

And no, I have not sandboxed competitors sites, but plenty of other people here have :)

Yea, it's a shame. Pretty ridiculous. You can just blast the crap out of domains with less than 1 year old..
 

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Yea, it's a shame. Pretty ridiculous. You can just blast the crap out of domains with less than 1 year old..

It is not so much the age of the domain, it is how long they have been established for the keyword that are trying to rank for (IE: what they are optimized for).

I ruined TONS of aged domains that were 5-8+ years old.
 

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same experience for me

my best sites all that had good rankings all down

while brand new sites - are page 1-2 with very little effort compared to what went into the old ones

doesnt matter so much the quality of the site either.

really its just a game - nothing personal figure it out and move on.
 

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I agree, the forum profiles linking to your money site doesnt do shit anymore. multi tiered wheels are the way to go for right now.
 

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I agree, the forum profiles linking to your money site doesnt do shit anymore. multi tiered wheels are the way to go for right now.

I agree. I don't link actual wheels though.

I like pyramids.

High PR links are still the best IMO.

I'm talking PR4-PR5 HOMEPAGE links.
 

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Do not blast directly. Get some spare domains and 301 them to wherever you want.
Then blast them to death. Or blast them to death and them redirect.

In case of troubles you can always delete redirect and, thus, "remove" all the spammy
link juice.
 

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So once you get your site sandboxed from the 301 redirects, you just switch them over to your competitors site, right?

LOL!


Do not blast directly. Get some spare domains and 301 them to wherever you want.
Then blast them to death. Or blast them to death and them redirect.

In case of troubles you can always delete redirect and, thus, "remove" all the spammy
link juice.
 

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I used to get really excited when my sites would hit the sandbox. But I had to stop listening to forums/courses and just keep building links & on-site content. About 90% of my sites have recovered since the big slap a few months ago.

And when people say things like "you can't harm your competitor by mass linking with irrelevant links," I think that is very wrong. If you spent 3 months constantly linking to your competitor with some very unrelated keyword, Google will get confused. Google uses backlinks anchor text to help figure out where a site should rank. Older sites just have a longer history of backlinks and it takes longer to knock them down a peg.
 

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I made a little research and it seems after the last pr update G hit the forums and many of them are now with lower PR. So maybe G don't like forum profiles so much anymore ?
I purchased profile links pyramids months ago and a lot of the links are still not indexed. I think to try the web 2.0 profiles.
 

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I used to get really excited when my sites would hit the sandbox. But I had to stop listening to forums/courses and just keep building links & on-site content. About 90% of my sites have recovered since the big slap a few months ago.

And when people say things like "you can't harm your competitor by mass linking with irrelevant links," I think that is very wrong. If you spent 3 months constantly linking to your competitor with some very unrelated keyword, Google will get confused. Google uses backlinks anchor text to help figure out where a site should rank. Older sites just have a longer history of backlinks and it takes longer to knock them down a peg.

Yes using similar words to the keyword will dilute the ranking power of the keyword
 
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