PBN Will Always Fails

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  1. Seo Lover

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    PBN = Private / Public both

    Most of public networks are shit and low cost as well , that works well for small churn and burn projects .

    For your good strong projects where you can't take risks , you have to spend good budget buying quality PBN Links (Private ones) by spending more or creating your own PBN .

    It really depends on your budget and project . If you are paying 5$ per post and you think its private and not spammed to death then you are day dreaming .

    For quality links you have to spend more .

    I am not going to say what and how i work on my PBNs which i sell and which i use for my own sites but i know alot of Sellers (Most of them are not on BHW though) who have a decent PBN and they charge 100$ per link .

    And when you are spending 100$ per link then you are getting very high quality link with just 4 or 5 OBL and that thing really works .
     
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    How big a PBN do you need to build for it to be effective
     
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    The title is a little bit confusing, "PBN" could mean Private or Public Blog Network.
     
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    Putin Bomb Network.
     
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    Putin's Bomb Nuclear.
     
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    Every PBN is bound to fail though. It's just a matter of when Google will catch it.
     
  9. Kries

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    I know sites ranking for a 4mil/keyword use public blog networks, they work.

    doesn't matter how long they last, a dozen links and you rank for a 4mil kws. You will break even real quick
     
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    We can say but not for 100% as some time some PBN give good link according to requirement.
     
  11. spectrejoe

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    Lol they're far stronger than blog comments.
     
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  12. danparks

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    Create your own PBN. Much better, always. Too expensive? Maybe. But if you have even just a few clients, it works. You set up a PBN with say, a dozen sites, then you give a few clients each a dozen good backlinks.

    The PBN is private, it only has a few outbound links, it can look natural. The payment from your clients pays for the PBN, and still gives you profit. And you can use the PBN for additional clients (just don't go crazy with it and try to put dozens of clients on the same PBN). And don't advertise it publicly - use it only for clients you work with in private.

    If you don't get greedy with it, and try to put many, many outbound, home page links on each PBN site, you'll be fine, the PBN sites can look like a "real" sites, and all will be good.


     
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    Tbh Private PBN are too expensive if you dont have clients to sell to. Public pbns do thr job just fine just find the providers that at least hide their footprints so that the whole pbn isnt penalized and use different providers dont just order 100000 pbn links from a single providers. Check reports and see if theres any penalized domain if there is ask the seller to replace.
     
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  14. danparks

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    Yes, of course, that's what I said - you need some clients to run your own PBN.

    If you do have some clients, then go with your own PBN. You will cover the cost, and you won't have to be creating a bullshit PBN that has links to dozens of clients from dozens of niches.

    And with your own PBN you don't have to post poorly spun, 400 word articles (like most low-cost *PUBLIC* PBNs do). You can spend a few bucks, or a little time, and post some longer, English-readable posts (including some posts that don't link out to client sites).

    You're doing SEO just for your own money site? Probably not worth the cost of creating your own PBN.

    You have one or two SEO clients? Probably not worth the cost of creating your own PBN.

    You have several clients? Probably IS worth the cost of creating your own PBN.

    That's my opinion, based on experience of having multiple clients.


     
  15. reallife

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    That's not true at all.

    1. Not all public PBNs are created equal. There are *huge* differences, not just in providers, but in the networks each provider offers. Just as one example, a network that has a limited number of permanent homepage links, is almost *always* going to do better for you than one that puts your post on the homepage for 5-7 days and then rolls it off onto an inside page. The reason is obvious. Read carefully and research before buying.

    2. Good public PBNs *can* help you rank - IF you aren't looking for the famous magic button. Public PBNs can work for the people who understand what they're doing in SEO and use those links as just one ingredient in their overall strategy.
    But many people buy just ten public PBN links without any other SEO work, sit back, and then complain when they don't hit the top three. It's like going to the store and buying flour --- and then getting home and complaining that you don't have a cake. You need flour to make a cake, but you also need to put some other stuff in there, too :)

    3. Private PBNs are almost always going to work better, for obvious reasons. But they're time consuming and difficult to build yourself, and expensive if you buy them from a provider. Are they worth it? Yes, if you know what you're doing; let's just say that you'd have a hard time finding a ranked keyword in an ultra-competitive niche that *doesn't* have a private network in its SEO mix.
     
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    "Too expensive" is a relative term.
    If you're trying to rank for "powder blue fidget spinners" - yeah, that's not worth the investment. You'll never make enough back to pay for them.
    If you're trying to rank for highly-competitive terms with huge potential profits, not only are they worth the money, they're almost necessary to rank (and you'll need a LOT of them).

    I spent a lot of time in a very competitive niche that easily returned tens of thousands of dollars a month for a single, highly-ranked site - and boy, were private PBNs worth it. (The niche stopped paying that type of money over time because of market factors, unfortunately.)
    The quality of a private network can vary considerably as well, so some work much better than others.

    Like anything else in marketing --- it's all a matter of ROI. ROI determines whether something is "too expensive" or a great investment.
     
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    @reallife well said that post of mine was *sarcasm* I'll agree one should build some backlinks first then have 10 -30 permenant pbns those are costly but they're worth it, cause in the long run they pay for it.

    The problem is people buy those 1$ pbn and then cry pbns are bad!
     
  18. reallife

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    Sorry I didn't recognize the sarcasm. I couldn't sleep, so I got back up and am waiting to get tired; my sarcasm detector must be disabled :anyway:
     
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    Haha can I get a review copy of your sarcasm detector even though I'm not a jr vip lol :)
     
  20. Maxim Alston

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    Interesting topic: at which point do self-built Privates become Public though? As soon as you start selling links alone, without being part of a service? The risk increases massively at this point, and selling links becomes a slippery slope for prioritising a quick buck over network safety...